Public Transport Insights and Innovations in the Middle East from UITP MENA

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Welcome to Modaxo's Transit Unplugged CEO Live

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Roundtable, recorded live at the occasion of UITP MENA Transport

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Congress and Exhibition in Dubai.

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At this episode, industry leaders René Amilcar, Mohamed Obaid Al Mulla, and

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Abdullah Al Marzouki will discuss current trends and priorities in global mobility

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with a special focus on the Middle East.

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Join us as we delve into post COVID priorities of urban mobility, Abu

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Dhabi's 230 transportation plan, decarbonization of mobility, the impact

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of digitalization, and autonomous taxis in Dubai and Abu Dhabi.

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We hope you will enjoy this episode and gain valuable

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perspectives from influential leaders of the mobility sector.

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I would like to welcome everyone.

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So it's a, it's a great day.

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We are here in Dubai, at the occasion of UITP MENA Transport

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Congress and Exhibition.

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this event is being organized during last 10 years successfully,

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between UITP and, RTA, Dubai.

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And we are in the second day of this great event, and we are very pleased to, welcome

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all of our guests to the Transit Unplugged session taking place at, Modaxo stand.

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So today, we have three very high level speakers.

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Actually, three leaders of mobility in the world.

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let me start, first introducing, Ms.

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Reneé Amilcar.

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Reneé is my former boss, when I was working for UITP.

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So you, when I mentioned the name of Reneé, the sound became better.

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So maybe it was waiting, the microphone or technicians were

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waiting that I introduce Reneé.

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So Reneé is the President of UITP.

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it's the first female president of the association, which is 140 years old.

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So, welcome Reneé.

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Thank you for joining us.

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So, we have Mr . Mohammed Obeid Al Mulla, who is the board member of Roads

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and Transport Authority of RTA, and Mr.

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Mohammed Obeid Al Mulla is also the chairman of UITP MENA division.

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Welcome, Mr.

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Al Mulla.

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And, we have also a very important leader of transportation, from, Middle East, Mr.

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Abdulla Al Marzouqi.

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He is the Director General of Integrated Transport Centre ITC Abu Dhabi.

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Mr.

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Al Marzouqi, thank you so much, for joining us.

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So Once again, thank you to all, for joining us for the

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Transit Unplugged session.

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this is a CEO Round table that is taking place in the MENA Congress and, without

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going into the, without losing more time, I will just go with my questions,

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to our, distinguished panelists and I would like to start with Reneé.

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so Reneé, after the COVID 19, what we are observing is that we see

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that the transportation is changing a lot in all around the world.

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And what we are wondering is that how, as UITP, you are seeing the

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current trends and changing priorities about mobility in the world.

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Thank you very much, Kaan and good afternoon, everyone.

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Thank you for having me here today.

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I'm very happy to be here.

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So, we already know that, COVID 19 has impacted a lot, transit, and, what we're

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seeing now, it's, different, you know, in Europe, example, I think the ridership

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is, back now and we can, easily observe, higher ridership than, 2019, it's the same

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thing in Asia, I think, and even here, the opportunity to, to speak, with, with the

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CEO of RTA and, I know that, the ridership is, increasing very well here as well.

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Unfortunately, in America, it's a little bit different and, Canada, I

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mean, USA, and, if I can, talk about, Ottawa, where I'm working, it's very

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unfortunate because, first, we, a lot of federal workers, and those, those,

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workers were very, very engaged with the public transit because they used to go,

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they, they used to take, public transit to come to work, and now, since the

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pandemic, they're still at home, Because of those federal workers, unfortunately,

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the ridership in Ottawa is, we are still approximately seven percent, from,

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when we compare with the, the pandemic.

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I think it's very interesting what you are saying, Reneé,

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about the trends in mobility, and then we are observing a significant change in

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the transportation landscape, globally.

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And now, we discussed about the global changes, but now I think it's important

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to focus on the Middle East region.

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And then here we have the two leaders of the transport agencies of, of Middle East.

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I would like to start with Mr.

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Obaid Al Mulla, actually because they are the host of, this,

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this Congress here in Dubai.

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Mr.

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Al Mulla, if you focus on the situation today, particularly after COVID, What

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kind of challenges you are observing in Dubai and what are your plans for the

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future to overcome from these challenges?

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Mohammed Obaid Al Mulla: First of all, I would like to thank all of you,

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congratulate everybody for, successful of, Congress of UITP in Dubai.

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This is, last version and I think since it started, UITP, RTA from 2007 till

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now, we had, this is the last version, which is number five and I think Day

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by day, growing the public transport in Dubai and all over the world.

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It is one of the most important issues.

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It is the challenge which we are facing daily, especially when it comes to

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the development of the, manufacturer, especially focusing on the technology.

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Since I started RTA, almost, it is 20 years, and I think the development going,

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taking place, One of the major issues is the population is growing in the Middle

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East, day by day, and affecting the plan, affecting the number of buses, number

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of spaces within the public transport.

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So based on this information, RTA is planning all the time ahead for

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the future, and the technology is developing day by day, and these are

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the challenges which we are facing.

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Ready and plan for the future, even above expectation, because all the

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time, we are since it started, we are developing day and night to reach

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desirable people to satisfy them.

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On the other hand, to develop and grow with the people demand.

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These are the change, always the public transport, it is playing

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a big role in the Middle East, especially in Dubai these days.

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We are since it started, it was number of the people who use public

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transport was very small number.

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Today, we are reaching over 22 percent of the people using public transport, and

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we are very proud that's around nearly 2 million people using public transport.

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Based on the demand of the people, people requirement, and we are at the service

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of the people, and we see the level of satisfaction on the eyes of the people.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much, Mr.

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Al Mulla.

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now we have also, Mr.

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Al Marzouqi, joining us, and it won't be wrong if I call Abu Dhabi as a rising

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star in the mobility, in the, in the region, with very important, projects.

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And then what we know is that Abu Dhabi prepared a Transportation

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Mobility Management Plan for 2030.

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So my question is to you, Mr.

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Al Marzouqi, what are the key elements of Abu Dhabi's 2030 plan regarding

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objectives about transportation?

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Abdulla Al Marzouqi: Thank you, Dr.

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Kaan for the invitation.

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And I believe that such an event is supporting all the parties in any

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equation to ensure that they are having the right, technology and, exchanging

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the knowledge and exchanging ideas.

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Regarding ITC in Abu Dhabi, we are starting our mobility strategy.

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It's built in, several pillars.

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And I believe that each pillar have opportunity to enhance the quality

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of life and at the same time create opportunity for the private sector

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and for the government to ensure that they are delivering right.

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The first pillar in our mobility strategy is sustainability.

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We are committed in UAE on the sustainability.

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We are, extend our commitment to towards sustainability.

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This is the second year of sustainability.

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After, we are hosting the COP 28.

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And, it is just to show that we are committed to sustainability

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to ensure quality of life.

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And Abu Dhabi.

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We start, I will give some example about one of the few steps we

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take regarding the sustainability.

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Already we start with our green, assessment program, which is to ensure

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that we are adapting in our, public transport electrical and hydrogen buses.

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We are targeting to have within the coming years to have Abu Dhabi as a green island.

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What do I mean by a green island?

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An island that can be served by electrical or friendly buses and public transport.

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The second pillar is safety, because the safety of people is very important.

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And this is a very, very important pillar.

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Abu Dhabi was recognized as one of the safest capitals in the world.

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And one of the responsibility to maintain this position is to

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ensure safety within the mobility.

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Third, which is I think that something to touch the life of everyone,

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how we can have smart mobility.

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Smart mobility is not about having a smart application.

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Smart mobility is to do all the operation in a very smart

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way, ensuring that efficiency, effectiveness, and ensuring added

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value for our main people in our city.

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We are, for example, in Abu Dhabi, always we are proud, even in UAE, that

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we are a big family of 200 nationalities.

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Everyone come with expectation, with a dream.

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And our duty in ITC, for example, in Abu Dhabi, to ensure that everyone have

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the right service, that can, can, from that service, he can achieve his dream.

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He feel that he is in second home.

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He can grow his family in very safe and sustainable and smart environment.

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So mobility can make your day good or can make your day bad.

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So we are targeting very small mission that every day we can, we need to make

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the, your, your mood is very good by avoiding congestion, provide alternative

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for you and easy of doing business and to reach your work in very good mood.

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So I think any boss can, have the same.

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Actually, that's a great conclusion of your

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contribution to this question.

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Actually, it's really, when I was in last time in Abu Dhabi, we were

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really seeing great projects in different fronts, especially the

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green bus program is really ambitious.

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So, thank you.

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I mean, Mr.

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Al Marzouqi for this leadership on this ambitious program.

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I think I go back to Reneé, because one of the key trends now what we see in the

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mobility in the world is digitalization.

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So, the agencies all around the world, they use the technology

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more and more day by day.

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So, how do you see digitalization could be helping to the

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authorities and operators in it?

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Because you were also leading a bus company in Canada.

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So, how do you use it as well?

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Thank you.

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Bus company and a light rail as well.

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So, definitely, with the COVID 19, you know, I used to compare that

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with what happened with the vaccine.

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We know that because of the COVID, a lot of good companies have,

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worked together and arrived with a vaccine very, very quickly.

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I think the same thing happened, on public transit as well because we,

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we can see now a lot of, very, good improvement and, a lot of new tools.

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And even if I compare it just with Ottawa, we didn't have the deferred

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payment, the open permit, in the past.

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And very quickly we came with that and we can pay now with our credit card or debit

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card, which is great because we don't need it anymore to exchange tickets, you know.

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And, I think definitely it's the trend.

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It's important for public transit.

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It's important as well to listen to our customers because we have

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to bring some new technologies.

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We have to bring those tools, but we have to listen to them because

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we have to accommodate them.

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And we have to make sure that they can follow us as well, because at the end of

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the day, they want to go from the point A to B and they need those technologies,

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they want them to make their lives easier, but they want as well to be non captive,

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they want to stay passive, because you know, most of the time they are still

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sleeping when they take the transit, and they want the transfer to be very easy,

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so we have to think about it absolutely.

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Thank you so much, Reneé.

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I think when we are talking about the technology and it is support for public

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transport, one very important mode of mobility is certainly taxi transportation.

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And then if you ask me, I mean, maybe some of you are knowing that I'm a taxi

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expert, former taxi expert of UITP.

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and then I could be easily telling you that one of the best taxis running

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in the world are here in UAE, in Dubai, in Abu Dhabi, there are very

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efficient taxi systems are being used.

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And I want to start with, I mean, Mr.

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Al Mulla on this one, because he was one of the leaders who made the transformation

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in the taxi transport in Dubai.

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I mean, what is currently the role of taxis in urban transport in Dubai?

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And then how do you see it as future?

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Because Dubai is now even also implementing autonomous, cars

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in the taxi transport and so on.

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Mohammed Obaid Al Mulla: I think, taxi industry in Dubai or in any

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place in the world playing a big role.

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For the connectivity and connecting between all the modes of transport,

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the flexible, it is a taxi.

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And, if you go any city in the world, any city, first of all, you don't

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know how, how to reach any place.

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So you, you, what you do, you get a taxi.

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And now, the taxi is affected by the technology, especially when it

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comes to the, involvement of the demand of the taxi through your

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telephone, through your mobile.

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So you, it, it's affected in deep.

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And I think limousine is playing also a big role in any city.

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The number of limousine is growing more than the taxi all over the world.

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And I think this is also the normal because of the technology is taking

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place in the pocket of the people or in the life of the people because

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you have your, your pocket is full of the, the, the information

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about the, anything you require.

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So your telephone is reaching anything based on this, I think taxi industry you

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need to have, lots of, the development in terms of the technology because technology

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is growing up everywhere in the world, so you're required to have even high

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tech, high tech, high technology for high touch, so you need to have driver also

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to be upgraded because these are the most important element that most of the area

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around the world, they're taking care of the car, they forgot about the driver.

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The driver needs also training, the driver needs also customer

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service, should be oriented.

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And on the other hand, you're required to also to focus on what's required

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on the taxi for the people demand.

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So you need to have, now I think, taxis around the world, especially in the UAE,

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playing a big role with the security.

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Because now, the taxi driver is moving around 400 to 500 up to 600 kilometers.

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So they have lots of information about everything.

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And there is also huge, involvement of, information which we transfer

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from the taxi to another organization, which is, gives a lots of information.

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These are the things, it is a part of the security.

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And I think, this is something, is a very, in advance to have in any place

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in the world to help any entities that they require Anything related to the

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maintenance, related to the street lighting, related to the also anything

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related to, to other organizations.

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Thank you.

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so much, Mr.

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Al Mulla.

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Now, I think, I want to continue with the same direction with Mr.

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Al Marzouqi, because Abu Dhabi, you are also very ambitious in

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terms of the driverless taxis.

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And then you put the first driverless taxi, if I'm not wrong, in Yas Island.

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It works now.

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I'm wondering what's the initial reaction of the riders, users about

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this driverless taxi experience in Abu Dhabi and in Maybe you can also

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add some fevers about your objectives regarding, further digitalization of

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the mobility in the city of Abu Dhabi.

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Abdulla Al Marzouqi: Thank you.

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I will, elaborate more about our, trial of having AV taxi and,

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vehicles in, one of, two area, actually in Yas Island and Sa'diyat.

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you know, the AV is, part of the future.

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Everyone, I believe, in mobility know that, AV cars is part of the future.

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And some of the cities believe that this is the far future.

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In Abu Dhabi, we believe that we need to be ready by launching that and bring

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the far future to be the near future.

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This is the reason we came with our partner to start the AV cars in Yas.

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And I will not say it's commercially, but it was fully operated.

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And our record, we ran it for more than one year.

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And this support us first enhance our regulation.

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Enhance our understanding about this technology because we saw that

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some of the technology, we keep discussing it in very high level.

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I think, put it in the trial, make everything clear.

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And this is what we did in Abu Dhabi.

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We put it in operation for one year, we collected a lot of information,

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we enhanced a lot of surface, and we believe that we are ready now by

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the regulation that already issued.

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And with the partner network we created by this trial.

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and the preparation of the team regarding the, gain of a lot

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of knowledge and the skills.

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We are ready to launch it as even commercially.

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And I believe that, you know, people, they like something new.

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You know, all the new generation, they are doing a lot of things in,

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computer, phones, AVs, whatever.

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So, I think that we are providing something.

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It will not change, by the way, the, the taxi game, or it's not game changer,

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but it's very important element will be in any city that to have the service.

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Which is already implemented in Abu Dhabi.

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Regarding the smart technology in public transport and taxi, I can, I

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totally agree with Ubaid here, that the taxi is the first, it can create a

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good impression about the city or not.

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In Abu Dhabi and Dubai, for example, one of the main, uh, users is our,

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uh, tourism that come into the city.

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And a lot of them is coming for the first time.

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So we need to ensure that usually the first comer for any city, he use the taxi.

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We need to ensure that this service is comfortable, clean, and we are

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training our driver to ensure to be our ambassador to introduce the city

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in very, very good way because they can build the impression for the people.

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You know, this is a big challenge.

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If you build a impression negative about the city, you will be not able

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to attract more visitors for your city, which is against our strategy.

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In Abu Dhabi and UAE, mainly, we are trying all the time to ensure

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that all the domains, it's ready to welcome everyone to work, to visit,

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to live in Abu Dhabi and in UAE.

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So one of them is the taxi.

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So smart taxi.

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Smart training for the drivers is something mandatory and we are keeping

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watching this in a very close manner.

Kaan Yildizgoz: 00:19:08

Thank you so much, Mr.

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Al Marzouqi.

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So I'm in the last round of questions, but I will not ask a

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specific question in the last round.

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I would like to ask our speakers, in case you have any additional points that you

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would like to raise, maybe we can do a very quick tour, if there is anything

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that you want to add on, on what we discussed before we close, Reneé, maybe.

Kaan Yildizgoz: 00:19:26

Any message that you would like to give as a UITP president before we close?

Renee: 00:19:29

Thank you very much.

Renee: 00:19:30

For sure I would say continue to the excellent job that you are doing because

Renee: 00:19:34

this is why we exist and it's important to, to bring people from their cars

Renee: 00:19:40

to buses and all technologies, all new buses that will help us very much.

Renee: 00:19:45

Thank you very much for being here and advocating for public transit.

Renee: 00:19:49

It's a very important as well.

Renee: 00:19:50

Mohammed Obaid Al Mulla: Thank you very much.

Renee: 00:19:51

First of all, I would like to A very important message for the, everyone that

Renee: 00:19:57

public transport, whether people they like or they don't like, at the end,

Renee: 00:20:02

public transport will take responsibility at any city because most of the people,

Renee: 00:20:07

they're facing a lot of challenges.

Renee: 00:20:09

And I think with any city require, a backbone, which

Renee: 00:20:14

is the most important issue.

Renee: 00:20:15

It's the metro.

Renee: 00:20:16

On the other hand, without metro, without metro, bus cannot, cannot work.

Renee: 00:20:21

Without bus, metro cannot work.

Renee: 00:20:23

So these two modes of transport, it's interrelated, so require both of them

Renee: 00:20:29

should be in any city, and then you cannot evaluate any city without metro.

Renee: 00:20:33

So that means backbone.

Renee: 00:20:35

On the other hand, taxi and limousine and monorail and also the

Renee: 00:20:39

other mode of transport is helping these major two towards any city.

Renee: 00:20:45

So the bus require dedicate line to reach on punctuality, taking responsibility

Renee: 00:20:51

of the time, taking responsibility of the comfortability, affordability,

Renee: 00:20:56

also something very important.

Renee: 00:20:57

Any city to want to be succeed, they need to have to make

Renee: 00:21:02

successful the public transport.

Renee: 00:21:04

Public transport require also huge, dedicate line.

Renee: 00:21:08

On the other hand, I would like to mention that Dubai also facing the, in the future.

Renee: 00:21:14

taxis, and maybe it goes to other modes of transport.

Renee: 00:21:18

And I think in the future also, because of the technology is getting developed

Renee: 00:21:22

every day, day by day, so maybe bus, the metro, the tram, the other mode, the

Renee: 00:21:28

limousine, and also taxis will take place in the city, in the city without driver.

Renee: 00:21:35

Not now, but in the future.

Renee: 00:21:37

Abdulla Al Marzouqi: Thank you.

Renee: 00:21:37

Thank you.

Renee: 00:21:38

I want first to mention that In Abu Dhabi we have a big aspiration, we have a big

Renee: 00:21:44

objective, and as any city, when any city identifies itself and where it needs

Renee: 00:21:51

to be positioned in the rank of all the cities, mobility comes as main pillar to

Renee: 00:21:56

identify the experience within the city.

Renee: 00:21:59

In Abu Dhabi and ITC we are committed to provide and to enhance our mobility

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experience and for that we are, we are.

Renee: 00:22:09

We are coming to this event.

Renee: 00:22:10

We are asking you to support us by building a strength partnership.

Renee: 00:22:16

And I believe that the future, they mentioned that if you

Renee: 00:22:20

want to go fast, you go alone.

Renee: 00:22:23

If you want to go far, you go together.

Renee: 00:22:25

So I'm requesting everyone participating in this event and UITP is to come together

Renee: 00:22:32

in Abu Dhabi and UAE Let's walk far in this journey about what the level of

Renee: 00:22:37

mobility we need to create in our city.

Renee: 00:22:40

Let's go far, and we are ensuring that in ITC we are willing to listen for a

Renee: 00:22:44

new idea, to adopt any new technology, and to whatever enhance the experience

Renee: 00:22:50

in Abu Dhabi, we are committed to discuss and explore and to do it,

Renee: 00:22:54

to bring it to the capital of UAE.

Renee: 00:22:57

So, Please, you are most welcome to come to ITC, to Abu Dhabi, let's go

Renee: 00:23:02

together, let's go far in this journey and to achieve something maybe the first

Renee: 00:23:07

time achieved in the mobility sector.

Renee: 00:23:10

Thank you.

Kaan Yildizgoz: 00:23:10

Thank you so much, Mr.

Kaan Yildizgoz: 00:23:11

Al Marzouki, Mr.

Kaan Yildizgoz: 00:23:13

Al Mulla, Ms Amilcar and I would like to ask a round of applause

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from our, participants for our distinguished, panelists and speakers.

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Before I close, actually, I also want to thank them them on behalf of

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Transit Unplugged at the Modaxo that is hosting, the Transit Unplugged.

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and what I can tell is that you will be able to visit the Transit

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this panel, discussion and we will have, a paper about the summary of

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what was discussed here to share and disseminate with The further people.

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